Ok.. I am extremely confused on what to do so any comments are greatly appreciated. So I have an imported Hanoverian mare that just had a foal off of Chablis. I want to register the baby under Zangersheide but I also was wondering if it could be registered with the canadian sport horse too so that I could show it on the line (I know that I could show her in the open if she isnt registered). My mare has not yet been approved so I really dont know if I am able to do this. I was also wondering how I went about getting them registered. I realize that there is a canadian sport horse inspection in october but my mare just is not looking good enough at this time to bring her. Thanks in advance for the help

Chablis seems to be CSHA approved as he is listed on the CSHA web site. The way I understand it is that you could register your foal part-bred CSHA. See http://www.c-s-h-a.org/content...gistrations-101.html for more info.

You can only register a horse with 1 registry, after that they can be approved by other registries. If you can get full "real" warmblood papers on your foal go for it!

I believe and I hope someone corrects me if I am wrong, you can still compete in the Performance Horse Futurities if they are Hanoverian. I am not 100% sure on this.

Get the best Registry! Hanoverian would be my top pick.



Sorry to steal your topic but what is Zangersheide, I have been told Holstein?

http://www.zangersheide.com/en/

it is a breeding farm in Belgium that started its own studbook...

[QUOTE]If you can get full "real" warmblood papers on your foal go for it!

The Canadian Sport Horse is a 'real' registry. Many of the top breeders in Canada support CSHA.

Zangersheide and CSHA are both members of the World Breeding Federation of Sport Horses.

http://www.wbfsh.org/?GB/Members.aspx

As such, you should only register the foal with one of these registries. I'm a little partial to CSHA, only in that I know my money would be staying within Canada, supporting a Canadian Registry and the fact that there are many more options available locally for showing the foal on the line, should you wish to do so.

I can't really comment on Zangersheide except that it seems to be the flavour of the day.

Ponybreeder, you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying "real" warmblood, as in Hanoverian, Holsteiner, Oldenburg. This is how I deem a Warmblood, not draft crosses with a touch of TB and a hint of QH.

I was not reffering at all to CSHA.

If you look far enough back in the 'real' warmblood breeds, you will see that all are derived from draught crosses with touches of other breeds (i.e. Arab, TB, etc.) thrown in to refine and add various other desired attributes. So essentially they are just older versions of newer registries like the CSHA.

I am pretty sure that Samber's mother was a spotted draught that was pulled out of a field. From her we get horses like Tricolour.

Here we go again...

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Originally posted by Dark Horse:
If you look far enough back in the 'real' warmblood breeds, you will see that all are derived from draught crosses with touches of other breeds (i.e. Arab, TB, etc.) thrown in to refine and add various other desired attributes. So essentially they are just older versions of newer registries like the CSHA.

I am pretty sure that Samber's mother was a spotted draught that was pulled out of a field. From her we get horses like Tricolour.

Actually she was a pretty cool KWPN mare called Tina D who appears to have pedigree that goes back to the early 1900s. So if you mean a registered black Tobiano KWPN approved brood mare than you are correct Dark Horse

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more about Samber's dam Tina D

Samber's dam TINA D, the black tobiano preferent mare by Ordonnans, a son of Ornament, is also a legend in her own right. In 1983 at the age of 19 she paraded at the UTV National Mare Show with some of her offspring including Samber. At that time she had brought 16 foals into the world, several of which were tobianos. Wanda, a full sister to Samber, also bred by the Smilda family, crops up in pedigrees such as Romi Kirchhoff-Röhr (1998 CHAPS Sporthorse & Warmblood judge) Westfalian papered ROSSINI QUEEN (see pedigree). Romi was fifth time lucky in her quest to breed a coloured from Rossini Queen, when earlier this year she finally produced a coloured filly to the Westfalian superstar Florestan. Cora, also a coloured daughter of Tina but this time by the Trakehner stallion Fresco was in turn covered by Ronco XX and produced Rinaldo, sire of the now US based Rainbow '89 and the grey and white Renaldino '90. So, although Samber is the best known, loved and admired coloured sire we know, in fact we should remember to applaud Tina as the real star of our generation.

Ha Dark Horse you know you love me...

http://www.gelderlanderhorse.n...horse.php?N=00002689

She was rather solid!!!

http://home.vianetworks.nl/use...ish/GeldersPaard.htm

Lots of 'older' breeds were more solid in general. Modernity is causing the thinner types as they are lighter and flashy-er.

I had a horse built like Tina who jumped the moon and stayed sound forever...now-a-days we have almost accepted that they break down at 15...

Tina was born in 1964. She had seven children between 1970 and 1980 that were sired by thoroughbreds (namely Pericless and Uppercut).

If you look at the history of the KWPN, heavy use of thoroughbreds wasn't really common practice until the late 60's/early 70's and this was driven by the use of horses more as competition animals and less as the work horses that they had been since WWII.

I believe that it is a testament to the KWPN breeders that they have been able to change the physical characteristics of their breed in the timeframe that they have!


Here are some pictures following just one barnch from Tina.
Tina http://www.sporthorse-data.com...0957&time=1203846386
Samber http://www.sporthorse-data.com...9961&time=1203846334
Ed King Hill http://www.sporthorse-data.com...8301&time=1231093050
Edwina http://www.sporthorse-data.com...1416&time=1225825203

As to the original posters question as to whether they should register the foal with the CSHA or Zangersheide... You can only register the foal once - although you can have her approved for breeding with other registeries at a later date.

I would ask myself what my future intentions with this particular filly are... if she is going to become a broodmare (or is likely to have at least one foal), do you intend to bred Canadian Sport Horses? If so, then I would look to registering her as such.

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The foal can also be registered with the Canadian Warmblood Horse Breeders Associate.

well I want to register her with the Zangersheide for sure. But my main question is can I get her approved under the csha adn show her in those classes or is it too late because her mom is not approved. Will I just have to show her in the open classes, and also when can I do this this and how?This is probably a stupid question but if anyone knows anything it would help thanks

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To show in the CSHA classes, your filly will need full CSHA papers. That means her dam will need to have to be inspected and pass breeding approval. Mares must be 3 years old or older to be inspected.

With Zandersheide papers, you can show in the open classes.

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Thanks for the help I think I have it figured out now.. Thanks